antik@lemmy.world

As one of the Bar owners of Lemmy World, we show anyone with homophobic takes the door.

Thank you. And if you should see anything that goes against the Lemmy World rules (https://lemmy.world/legal) please report it.

Speaking for Lemmy World - we look for new moderators when we notice communities are un-moderated. We follow the reports closely and if we notice they aren’t picked up by that community’s moderators we reach out.

And yes, we were also told initially that it was because of a lack of moderation tools but now @Lionir@beehaw.org seems indicate a “cultural” difference. But we are left wondering what the difference with LW and the other instances they federate with are.

Preemptively defederates from hexbear as a “last-resort”

We had our reasons to preemptively defederate and that has proven to be the correct action - just check what giving them a chance did for https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/

Takes days to defederate from exploding-heads

Yes, days is a long time now? We were still (one of) the first to defederate with them.

Takes days to defederate from rammy.site despite knowing its been taken over by exploding-heads

The instance you are on (lemmy.one) never was defederated with rammy.site. When rammy.site was overtaken by Exploding Heads members we tried to contact the site admin first. When he didn’t reply we defederated. That took about a day.

Wonders why people think you are a Nazi instance

Yes. But I know you’re not here to argue in good faith. Your post history and this statement screams “Hexbear user on his alt”.

I really don’t get the “oversight” part of keeping someone who is banned from a community on the moderator team there. Can you give me an example how this would make sense?

The modlog breaking XXXX amount of days bug was reported to the devs by me btw. And it was fixed on 12/08: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/pull/2058

It just feels like you are looking for excuses to keep defederated while there is no actual problem that can not be handled by working together as admins. We’ve always said we are open to discuss actions but you’ve always said when the “when modtools are available”. Now it’s a culture problem - how are Lemmy World users different from lemm.ee, midwest.social, programming.dev or other instances? And what do you propose should be done to tackle these issues?

We are not defederated from lemmygrad. The only ‘big’ instances that are defederated are exploding-heads and hexbear. And as I pointed out here it did NOT take us long to defederate with them.

But it’s not.

“a lot of instances start defederating with Lemmy world”?

Besides beehaw, which ones are you talking about?

Most of the admins are Europeans and the server is also hosted in Europe (currently).

We defederated with both the extreme left and right instances. Which instance are you talking about?

Everyone is free to start a community on our instance as long as they have active moderators and follow the rules

TIL

Yes Lemmy World is the biggest but we take our reports serious and have teams working hard to keep it a friendly space. Again, keep reporting the posts that go against the site or community rules.

If a mod is banned from the community they mod, they can still take mod actions

Why not remove them as mod? I don’t understand why you would keep anyone in the mod team that has been banned from the community?

If you get site-banned from Beehaw while you are from another instance, you can still post on the community and people from that instance and kbin can see your posts

Yes that is a problem with Lemmy in general. But why this only seen as a problem for people from Lemmy World and sh.itjust.works?

The modlog is not chronological

We fix this by having enough admins to go through these reports as soon as possible.

The modlog breaks if you ban someone for more than 4 digit days.

Why ban for 9999 days if you can leave it empty and perma-ban?

Anyway, I agreed that there are a lot of issues that haven’t improved, but at least I heard that users will be able to block instances themselves soon so fingers crossed. But Beehaw defederated from Lemmy.World and sh.itjust.works very early on and in the meantime they are federated with instances that are as big as Lemmy.World was back then.

Berson

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I replied somewhere else in this thread but we - the admins of lemmy world - have always been supportive of the beehaw decision to wait until better tools come along for moderation. We went through a few growing pains with LW but I’m happy to see how far we have come already and we keep working to make things better. Our legal page with the rulesets is actively being maintained and defines what we stand for: https://lemmy.world/legal.

We handle our reports daily and urge our users to keep reporting anything that goes against our rules.

Are you talking about /c/conservative on Lemmy World? That moderator was instantly banned from Lemmy World and the community was handed over to a different mod team.

This is the thread: https://lemmy.world/post/136470

Lemmy World is not a “free speech” platform.

Point 1 in the “Principles that Guide Us” section: https://lemmy.world/legal

Hi,

I’m speaking on behalf of the admin team of Lemmy World - we feel like we have to step in here and give some feedback to the things being said in this thread and give our perspective.

About “Supporting nazi’s”:

So we support nazi’s because it took us ‘long’ to defederate from exploding heads? That’s straight up false. We were one of the first instances to defederate with them and advocated heavily to have them defederated on other instances. FYI Lemmy World as a whole is just over 2 months old and so is this post: https://lemmy.world/post/747912

There was an issue early on with the original moderator of the Lemmy World https://lemmy.world/c/conservative community which was handled instantly:

1. The problematic moderator https://lemmy.world/u/OptionHome that was posting misinformation (and worse) was banned
2. The https://lemmy.world/c/conservative community was given to other moderators.
3. We asked people to stop bombaring the /c/conservative community with anti-conservative posts as to allow civil discourse. https://lemmy.world/post/149519
4. The https://lemmy.world/c/maga community was also banned

We take a hard stance on extremism from both sides of the political spectrum, and we believe that civil discourse should always be the first option. We ban hate communities on sight no matter whose side they are on, and we work hard to resolve the hundreds of reports we receive each day. As of today, 3733 users were banned from Lemmy.World, and that number will probably have gone up by the time you read this comment. We follow-up on moderation teams if we see reports that stay open for too long and if communities are abandoned we actively look to replace the moderation team.

So we ask everyone to keep sending in reports when you see any post that breaks the Lemmy World rules which can be found here: https://lemmy.world/legal.

About Beehaw’s decision to defederate with us: Even though we don’t agree with it, we have always been supportive of Beehaw and their choice to defederate with us until the mod tools improve. Even when the question gets posted in our community we defended the decision: https://lemmy.world/post/895811.

But wether or not Beehaw will refederate with us is ofcourse 100% your decision.