• SinningStromgald@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Everyone knows it’s genocide just most don’t want to admit it.

    Really any solution that doesn’t end in genocide has to start with the US actually doing something other than enabling.

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      6 months ago

      US adminstrations (quite independently of whatever party mask they wear) have a long tradition of supporting “they’re Nazis but they’re our Nazis” governments (remember Pinochet or even Saddam when he was “our guy”) and there really is no reason to expect they would change now.

      You see this relativisation of Evil all around, by the way: notice how Germany’s “Never again” turns out to really be “Jews are just like us” rather than “This should never be done again to anybody, anywhere” hence their sanctioning of Russia - who are targetting “people like us” - right next to their “unwavering support” of the Fascists targetting “those not like us” (or, as they call them over there, “human animals”).

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    6 months ago

    Being charged with genocide is one of the hazards of committing genocide.

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    In its response to the petition, Israel accused South Africa of a “blood libel,” which is “without legal merit and constitutes a base exploitation and contempt of court.”

    blood libel

    noun

    • The false accusation that Jews murder non-Jewish children to use their blood for their religious rituals and holidays.
    • Any false or purportedly false accusation of murder of a non-Jew by a Jewish person or organization.
    • Any false or purportedly false accusation of guilt, especially of guilt in mass murder or homicide.

    That third point is such a cop out.

  • AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space
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    Israel can just invade the Netherlands and liberate its defendants, leaving no other survivors. The US (which has a Hague Invasion Act covering any of its own citizens in the event of such a trial) would provide logistical support, either openly or tacitly, and the IDF could use German air bases for staging.

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    Let’s do some satire and see how many people think I’m being serious:

    *** ahem ***

    This is not a genocide! Here’s the proof backed up with FACTS AND LOGIC:

    The height of the holocaust was from 1941 to 1945 … of which about 6 million Jews were killed. This works out to a very approximate 4000-ish people per-day. That’s what genocide looks like!

    Now compare this to the VERY REASONABLE actions of the Israeli state: It’s been 86 days since October 7th as of this post. Assuming a rounded number of 20k killed, that works out to ONLY 232 per-day.

    Now granted: This isn’t including missing people, or those buried under the rubble - but the point still stands. At the current rate it would take over 23 years to clear out the Gaza strip. That is HARDLY a genocide.

    Source.

    ON EDIT: Before down-voting my brilliant analysis, review the source counter with similar FACTS AND LOGIC.

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      Genocide is not just extinction but an attempt to destroy or erase a nation. Likud’s charter calls for the elimination of a Palestinian state and its leaders have talked openly about using the military to drive all Palestinians into Egypt and Jordan and eliminate the idea of a Palestine. That IS genocide.

    • Kernal64@sh.itjust.works
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      I’m going to start killing 231 people who piss me off every day, because that’s fine, right? It’s not like I’m committing a genocide. By your own standards, I’d be doing something “VERY REASONABLE.” [sic]

      It’s really weird that you think the worst genocide in human history (at least the worst one that I’m aware of) is the minimum standard for any genocide. According to your own standards, only 1 genocide has ever occurred. A quick look at the history books shows that’s obviously not true. Countless peoples have faced genocide of varying degrees throughout history. If you think taking a mere 23 years to exterminate an entire culture/people from a specific region of Earth is some vast amount of time, I really have to wonder exactly what the fuck is wrong with you.

      EDIT: In response to your edit, how about you directly respond to even a single person who called you out on your atrocious bullshit with “FACTS AND LOGIC” [sic] instead of just editing your post to whine about down votes. You are disgusting and deserve to step on stray Legos every time you stand up.

    • BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world
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      Your math is wrong. Israel has killed 1% of the population of Gaza (23,000 out of an estimated 2.3 million) in under three months. So at the current death rate they would kill the entire population in 12.5 years, not 23.

    • SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml
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      On the night of August 8-9, the Manson family murdered everyone who was home at the Tate house - Sharon Tate, who was 8 1/2 months pregnant, Jay Sebring, a celebrity hairdresser; Abigail Folger, a coffee heiress; her boyfriend Wojciech Frykowski, an aspiring screenwriter; and Steven Parent, an 18-year-old visiting the property’s caretaker. This is the very definition of a murder. Therefore, no Jews were ever murdered because it didn’t happen exactly like what I’m arbitrarily declaring to be the very definition of a murder. There’s no legal definition of what constitutes a murder. There have never been any murders before or since.

      This is FACTS AND LOGIC.

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      But Hamas only killed 1139 Israelis in their attack, not even getting to the 4000 per day threshold, so Israel should not even be allowed to counter attack at all.